no taxes to deal with the deficit. is that the right thing? >> keep in mind, he made it very clear that unlike this president, who i have to like as a person. i know him well. unlike president obama, he wants to work with congress. he knows he's not going to get anything done if he doesn't work with congress. >> but he drew a line there. is that a fuzzy line? >> i'm with it on the line. one thing that has to be made very clear is the wealthy will be paying just as much as they're paying now. >> but they shouldn't pay more. >> i thought one of the best lines is that basically we're tired of trickle down government. and he turned the tables on the president. we have the president who believes it will government is the last answer to everything. do you think that is going to be a political liability in the state of florida? >> well, keep in mind, he brought up pretty forcefully that the president cut medicare. he also said that look, we are going to keep medicare exactly as it is for those 55 years or older. but we have to do something to help th